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andreea27's review against another edition
5.0
Fii si indragostiti, cu titlul original Sons and lovers dar publicat si sub numele de "Fii si amanti" este un roman de D.H. Lawrence cu o puternica tenta autobiografica.
In roman este vorba despre viata tanarului Paul Morel, crescut cu un tata alcoolic si o mama cu o personalitate puternica, care ii transmite valorile sale morale si traditionale ale timpurilor respective. Paul Morel, incercand sa-si gaseasca "sufletul pereche", se vede prins intre doua femei, Miriam si Clara.
Ce m-a impresionat inca din start la cartea asta a fost descrierea de la inceput a vietii de familie.. chiar daca tatal era alcoolic si venea tot timpul beat acasa, autorul nu-l descrie ca pe un om josnic, nemernic, asa cum am fi tentati sa credem ca ar fi un astfel de om. Dimpotriva, in ciuda faptului ca avea defectul asta, eu una n-am putut niciodata sa urasc acest personaj, si deseori ramaneam uimita de faptul ca el chiar voia sa se apropie de copii si de sotie, insa nemaifiindu-i permis, sfarsea prin a bea si mai mult si a se indeparta si mai mult de ei.
Dar partea cea mai fascinanta mi se pare legatura dintre Paul si Miriam. Este atat de greu de descris pentru ca ei nu se iubesc practic cu "corpul", ci este mai mult o iubire sufleteasca, si oarecum mentala. Platonica. Ei practic se completeaza unul pe altul, fac parte unul din altul, insa nu se pot iubi in adevaratul sens al cuvantului. Si asta ma uimeste (intr-un mod pozitiv) si in acelasi timp ma face sa-i urasc pentru iubirea asta neimplinita.
Am sa postez si doua citate din carte, mi s-au parut cele care descriu cel mai bine relatia dintre cei doi.
Paul catre Miriam~
Cu tine nu comunic prin simturi, ci prin spirit. De asta nu ne putem iubi in intelesul comun. Afectiunea noastra nu este dintre acelea pe care le intalnesti la tot pasul. Si totusi suntem muritori de rand, si a trai unul alaturi de celalalt ar fi cumplit, deoarece cu tine nu pot fi carnal si, stii tu, a vietui de-a pururi mai presus de aceasta a muritorului de rand ar insemna s-o pierzi cu totul.
- - -
- Te iubesc foarte mult.. dar undeva, lipseste ceva.
- Unde? intreba ea privindu-l.
-O, inauntru, in mine. Eu ar trebui sa ma rusinez.. sunt un olog psihic.
Personal mi se pare foarte buna pe care o recomand, nu neaparat datorita actiunii ci cat pentru povestea dintre Paul si Miriam care mi se pare, ca idee, destul de rar intalnita in carti.
In roman este vorba despre viata tanarului Paul Morel, crescut cu un tata alcoolic si o mama cu o personalitate puternica, care ii transmite valorile sale morale si traditionale ale timpurilor respective. Paul Morel, incercand sa-si gaseasca "sufletul pereche", se vede prins intre doua femei, Miriam si Clara.
Ce m-a impresionat inca din start la cartea asta a fost descrierea de la inceput a vietii de familie.. chiar daca tatal era alcoolic si venea tot timpul beat acasa, autorul nu-l descrie ca pe un om josnic, nemernic, asa cum am fi tentati sa credem ca ar fi un astfel de om. Dimpotriva, in ciuda faptului ca avea defectul asta, eu una n-am putut niciodata sa urasc acest personaj, si deseori ramaneam uimita de faptul ca el chiar voia sa se apropie de copii si de sotie, insa nemaifiindu-i permis, sfarsea prin a bea si mai mult si a se indeparta si mai mult de ei.
Dar partea cea mai fascinanta mi se pare legatura dintre Paul si Miriam. Este atat de greu de descris pentru ca ei nu se iubesc practic cu "corpul", ci este mai mult o iubire sufleteasca, si oarecum mentala. Platonica. Ei practic se completeaza unul pe altul, fac parte unul din altul, insa nu se pot iubi in adevaratul sens al cuvantului. Si asta ma uimeste (intr-un mod pozitiv) si in acelasi timp ma face sa-i urasc pentru iubirea asta neimplinita.
Am sa postez si doua citate din carte, mi s-au parut cele care descriu cel mai bine relatia dintre cei doi.
Paul catre Miriam~
Cu tine nu comunic prin simturi, ci prin spirit. De asta nu ne putem iubi in intelesul comun. Afectiunea noastra nu este dintre acelea pe care le intalnesti la tot pasul. Si totusi suntem muritori de rand, si a trai unul alaturi de celalalt ar fi cumplit, deoarece cu tine nu pot fi carnal si, stii tu, a vietui de-a pururi mai presus de aceasta a muritorului de rand ar insemna s-o pierzi cu totul.
- - -
- Te iubesc foarte mult.. dar undeva, lipseste ceva.
- Unde? intreba ea privindu-l.
-O, inauntru, in mine. Eu ar trebui sa ma rusinez.. sunt un olog psihic.
Personal mi se pare foarte buna pe care o recomand, nu neaparat datorita actiunii ci cat pentru povestea dintre Paul si Miriam care mi se pare, ca idee, destul de rar intalnita in carti.
hannasadaque's review against another edition
challenging
dark
emotional
informative
mysterious
reflective
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.25
annawiththebooks's review against another edition
2.0
Didn’t think I was going to be a big fan of naturalism, but this demolished any expectations I had. D.H Lawrence wins an award from me: 500 pages long and I couldn’t care less about the characters. Looking back, I wonder why I didn’t dnf this book: Most of the time it was soo boring. It really was 500 pages of daily life, while the writing wasn’t even particularly poetic or beautiful in any way, but terribly bland.
I can appreciate it as a semi-autobiographical novel, D.H reflecting on the relationship he had to his mother etc etc - but for anyone else but the author himself to read that? Kind of a waste of time to be honest…(and precious trees)
Every single one of these characters is soo emotionally unstable. Ok, I guess that’s pretty realistic. But you can’t just write “As he took her in his arms and held her tight, he felt his strong love for her suddenly.” And LITERALLY five lines later: “He looked at her and I realised how much he despised her.”(or smth like that) Like what? If your characters go through such tremendous inner turmoil, you need to do a better job at making me feel with them, or at least for me to understand them. But the writing was just way to “minimalistic” to do that.
Miriam was the only character who was somewhat likeable to me throughout. But never have I ever read the word “hate” so often in a novel. Did anyone count? I just had to roll my eyes at that word at some point. Something or someone can distress or vex you without you needing to “hate” them immediately, no? Glad I read this book in that sense: It was a reminder how strong a word “hate” is and that we should use it less often.
But what was even more annoying: zero character development. The story starts with major mummy issues, the story ends with major mummy issues. I was rather left thinking: What were the last 500 pages for, actually? If anything, Paul was ruined in the end - so technically there’s “negative/passive character development”? (Don’t worry that’s not a spoiler, you see it all coming anyway)
I know my rant really sounds like a one star review, but I’ll have to give this book 2 stars since there had to be sOmE kInD of “magic” pulling me towards it - I mean I didn’t dnf it. But then again: Maybe I just kept reading because I wanted to feel justified in the negative review I knew I was going to write from the beginning 😂
All in all I just wish D.H Lawrence would’ve written in his diary (and seen a therapist) instead of publishing this.
I can appreciate it as a semi-autobiographical novel, D.H reflecting on the relationship he had to his mother etc etc - but for anyone else but the author himself to read that? Kind of a waste of time to be honest…(and precious trees)
Every single one of these characters is soo emotionally unstable. Ok, I guess that’s pretty realistic. But you can’t just write “As he took her in his arms and held her tight, he felt his strong love for her suddenly.” And LITERALLY five lines later: “He looked at her and I realised how much he despised her.”(or smth like that) Like what? If your characters go through such tremendous inner turmoil, you need to do a better job at making me feel with them, or at least for me to understand them. But the writing was just way to “minimalistic” to do that.
Miriam was the only character who was somewhat likeable to me throughout. But never have I ever read the word “hate” so often in a novel. Did anyone count? I just had to roll my eyes at that word at some point. Something or someone can distress or vex you without you needing to “hate” them immediately, no? Glad I read this book in that sense: It was a reminder how strong a word “hate” is and that we should use it less often.
But what was even more annoying: zero character development. The story starts with major mummy issues, the story ends with major mummy issues. I was rather left thinking: What were the last 500 pages for, actually? If anything, Paul was ruined in the end - so technically there’s “negative/passive character development”? (Don’t worry that’s not a spoiler, you see it all coming anyway)
I know my rant really sounds like a one star review, but I’ll have to give this book 2 stars since there had to be sOmE kInD of “magic” pulling me towards it - I mean I didn’t dnf it. But then again: Maybe I just kept reading because I wanted to feel justified in the negative review I knew I was going to write from the beginning 😂
All in all I just wish D.H Lawrence would’ve written in his diary (and seen a therapist) instead of publishing this.
harleyeryley's review against another edition
challenging
reflective
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.0
callmeamelia's review against another edition
emotional
funny
reflective
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.5
jovanas_cloud's review against another edition
4.0
It was a really good read. I really liked the characters, the plot and the overall atmosphere of the whole story world. I was actually invested in the characters, their lives and what might happen next.
Just want to discuss the relationship between Mrs Morel and Paul. When she was pregnant and even when Paul was a toddler, Mrs Morel didn't want him and wished he would die, yet due to his sickly nature she was forced to pay more attention to him than to William and Annie. That attention later turned to Paul being almost independent in my eyes. He didn't want to marry or more precisely, he said he could never love any woman when his mother is still alive, and even when his mother passed away, he still couldn't commit to Clara and Miriam, he even considered suicide just to be with his mother. Their relationship was odd to me, it almost seemed like he wished to marry his mom.
What also bothered me was how easily both Clara and Miriam lost their feminist side for Paul. Clara was a known ''men-hater'' and Miriam was bothered with her position in her family since she was overlooked for being a girl. Yet, when Paul said some questionable stuff, they were angry but they never responded like they did at first.
Just want to discuss the relationship between Mrs Morel and Paul. When she was pregnant and even when Paul was a toddler, Mrs Morel didn't want him and wished he would die, yet due to his sickly nature she was forced to pay more attention to him than to William and Annie. That attention later turned to Paul being almost independent in my eyes. He didn't want to marry or more precisely, he said he could never love any woman when his mother is still alive, and even when his mother passed away, he still couldn't commit to Clara and Miriam, he even considered suicide just to be with his mother. Their relationship was odd to me, it almost seemed like he wished to marry his mom.
What also bothered me was how easily both Clara and Miriam lost their feminist side for Paul. Clara was a known ''men-hater'' and Miriam was bothered with her position in her family since she was overlooked for being a girl. Yet, when Paul said some questionable stuff, they were angry but they never responded like they did at first.
dafneaestas's review against another edition
5.0
Extensa novela maravillosamente escrita que ahonda de forma exquisita en la psique de una madre, y más exhaustivamente, en la de su hijo, con quien mantiene una relación muy del gusto de Freud que resulta inquietante. Paul, el hijo, tiene una personalidad caracterizada por una gran sensibilidad, un velo de melancolía y la incapacidad de mantener relaciones exitosas con mujeres, con las que se involucra romántica y sexualmente rehuyendo todo tipo de responsabilidad emocional para con ellas, a las que incluso llega a maltratar psicológicamente a raíz de sus propias indeciosiones e incertidumbres. Aunque aprecio su gran calidad literaria y la profundidad de los personajes, durante la mayor parte del libro Paul me resultaba bastante despreciable y me era muy difícil simpatizar con él.
Aún así... Es un libro que me ha dejado mucho poso y que sigo sin saber cómo descifrar. Ha sido una lectura ágil pero muy dura y triste. La parte final del fallecimiento de Gertrude es especialmente cruda, al igual que los sentimientos y emociones de aquellos que la acompañan hasta el final. El desenlace es asimismo agridulce, acorde con una novela que indaga en los efectos que tiene sobre la identidad del ser humano la niñez, capaz de rompernos y dejarnos secuelas que arrastraremos de adultos, haciendo que nuestras relaciones sean estériles y dañinas, incapaces de reflexionar y de ser conscientes de nuestros actos y cargando esas responsabilidades sobre los demás.
Aún así... Es un libro que me ha dejado mucho poso y que sigo sin saber cómo descifrar. Ha sido una lectura ágil pero muy dura y triste. La parte final del fallecimiento de Gertrude es especialmente cruda, al igual que los sentimientos y emociones de aquellos que la acompañan hasta el final. El desenlace es asimismo agridulce, acorde con una novela que indaga en los efectos que tiene sobre la identidad del ser humano la niñez, capaz de rompernos y dejarnos secuelas que arrastraremos de adultos, haciendo que nuestras relaciones sean estériles y dañinas, incapaces de reflexionar y de ser conscientes de nuestros actos y cargando esas responsabilidades sobre los demás.
kbkittyb's review against another edition
2.0
It's been a while since I've read this one...But I vaguely remember being disillusioned by it. A very depressing, realist novel that raises some very important points about the working class that still resonate today.
It was a little boring at times and women are often treated very harshly throughout. I love D H Lawrence's honesty, but it was somewhat brutal.
Has stuck with me since, so worth a read if you've got a little while.
It was a little boring at times and women are often treated very harshly throughout. I love D H Lawrence's honesty, but it was somewhat brutal.
Has stuck with me since, so worth a read if you've got a little while.
whoopsbooks's review against another edition
challenging
dark
emotional
reflective
sad
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? N/A
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.5