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kadu_1516's review against another edition
adventurous
challenging
dark
emotional
informative
mysterious
reflective
relaxing
sad
tense
fast-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.25
cultneophyte7's review against another edition
4.0
A satisfying conclusion to a pretty good graphic novel, one four years in the making. Some people will hate it for what it represents, but I loved the twist personally, it ties up a lot of loose ends and just makes sense. A classic in the making? Perhaps.
tawfek's review against another edition
5.0
i am batman i knew who the joker was one week after meeting him.
wow goosebumps i loved three jokers everything about it.
the joker healed batman from his joe chill wound.
joe chill and bruce wayne make up at last and joe chill dies.
this has to be in the continuity because its really important and it fits with everything.
poor jason his letter to batgirl fell off and swept away.
the second joker died as i have predicted after reading the first issue but the joker killed him.
now i go back to reading old boring batman stories but it was a fun break <3
wow goosebumps i loved three jokers everything about it.
the joker healed batman from his joe chill wound.
joe chill and bruce wayne make up at last and joe chill dies.
this has to be in the continuity because its really important and it fits with everything.
poor jason his letter to batgirl fell off and swept away.
the second joker died as i have predicted after reading the first issue but the joker killed him.
now i go back to reading old boring batman stories but it was a fun break <3
afifahcookie's review against another edition
5.0
Wow. This was such an intense read.
We see part of the Batman Family fighting over what to do with the multiple Jokers running around. As always, Batman stands his ground and sticks to his morals.
We even see a bit of romance between Barbara & Jason. It's there, no matter how short-lived & unfortunate the circumstances may be.
By the end of the comic, we're down to one Joker and it's presumably the original one (one that Batman already knows of his name & family).
We see part of the Batman Family fighting over what to do with the multiple Jokers running around. As always, Batman stands his ground and sticks to his morals.
We even see a bit of romance between Barbara & Jason. It's there, no matter how short-lived & unfortunate the circumstances may be.
By the end of the comic, we're down to one Joker and it's presumably the original one (one that Batman already knows of his name & family).
jamie29's review against another edition
5.0
OKAY MIND BLOWN!!!!!
This was an amazing book. Loved it. And the story line was just getting me more and more into the story. I wanted more from the story. Like what Batman really!!!!
I dont want to spoil anything. So if you haven't read this series you need to. I am so happy that I got this. Damn!!!
Chefs kiss!!
Hands down best book I have read this year. WOW!!!!
This was an amazing book. Loved it. And the story line was just getting me more and more into the story. I wanted more from the story. Like what Batman really!!!!
I dont want to spoil anything. So if you haven't read this series you need to. I am so happy that I got this. Damn!!!
Chefs kiss!!
Hands down best book I have read this year. WOW!!!!
pacinocorleone's review against another edition
3.0
3.5 stars. Don't know how to describe it, but this final issue was definitely missing something, but I can't seem to determine what. The Barbara/Jason dynamic was... off. I guess years of watching them being portrayed as brothers and sisters would do that for you. Jason felt very out of character in this issue, primarily at the end. Although, I have heard that some people do perceive this as a coping mechanism for his trauma, I feel they could've chosen an alternate coping mechanism for him - one that would make sense within the limited duration of the series and wouldn't entail the absolute shattering of his heart (c'mon DC, hasn't be been through enough? Jason deserves a happy ending). Anyway, I was enthralled with the Joker mythos within these issues. The art is gorgeous - I absolutely love how Jason and Babs look. Overall, an okay run.
anthroxagorus's review against another edition
5.0
Some bit of okay, cool. I heard some people didn't like it, just hit me as okay, an interesting take on "who the Joker really is"
thirty37seven's review against another edition
4.0
"I want you to know why I'm making a new Joker, Batman. Because I want to mean more to you. More to you than anyone. Right now I am nothing but undefined chaos. I need to be more. I need to be everything to you."
"This relationship is too one-sided, I need you to be as obsessed with me as I am with you."
"See now... after all of that drama... don't you feel better... Bruce? Bruce Wayne. Barbara Gordon. Jason Todd. You know I know. But I don't care. I won't tell. The world can never know your true name. You might stop doing this if I do."
"What do you want?"
What does he want? Bruce, what has he always wanted? Who is the object of his obsession? The sole reason he does anything at all? You. He wants you. All he's ever wanted is to fuck with you until you both die. You fucking dolt. Literally one of the most intelligent men alive and he's still pretending like he doesn't get it. You baffle me, Brucie.
"What's the punchline here, Joker?"
"Oh, this isn't a joke, Batman. There's no final twist. Not until I decide to put my hand on the knife in your heart. The Criminal was wrong. I am chaos. I am the Devil. I am nothing to you and everything. It isn't the Joker that is broken. It was the Batman. Broken by a pain greater than anything I could ever do to you. You saved the man who killed Thomas and Martha Wayne. Who sent Gotham—and you—spiraling into the drain of despair. You saw the old, regretful sad sack Chill's become. You felt his pain and it gave relief to yours. Ha. I healed your greatest wound. So now I can be your greatest pain. ME! I'll cut you. I'll hurt you. I'll keep twisting that knife until the day we both die together."
Goddamn, I love the fucked up relationship between these two (four?) men. The dialogues above pretty much sum up why I love the Batman and Joker dynamic and I'll never get tired of it. There are many portrayals of the Joker but two things they almost all share in common is the desire to be significant to Batman and the need to die with him. Don't believe me? Watch how Joker reacts when Batman says that he ain't shit to him. He gets pissed. "How fucking dare you say that I don't matter to you, I'm everything to you." He's very possessive of Batman and their "relationship" and I just love that.
Bruce forgiving Joe Chill and being with him when he died was so sweet and shows what type of man Bruce is. All men should aspire to be as good as Bruce Wayne.
So why did Batman ask the mobius chair about Joker's identity if he already knew who he was? Or was that question just another test and he shit himself when it said there were three. This is the only explanation that makes sense because why the fuck would "What's the Joker's true name?" be the question he asks an omniscient chair if he already knows the answer? I've always preferred that Batman didn't know Joker's identity because it was a mystery the World's Greatest Detective couldn't solve. I like the idea of Batman having his own obsession with Joker in wanting to know his identity and never finding it. In this story they both know each other's identities but neither of them want to reveal the other, for completely different reasons and I really like that too. Joker doesn't give a fuck about Batman's identity as long as he's still Batman. Batman won't reveal Joker to keep Joker's family safe.
I find it unbelievable that Joker wouldn't know that his family is still alive. He knows everything, how could he not know this? Though, when Joker was fantasizing about them in the last issue his son looked exactly as he does in reality. How would he know what his son looks like? He wasn't even born yet when his mother "died". I always thought that death by a baby-bottle heater was ridiculous. Which means Joker had to have thought the same thing at some point, right? Maybe he does know they're alive but he leaves them alone because he knows they would be afraid of him? That doesn't seem like something he would do but I don't think he would kill them either. He would warp them in his image as he does everyone else. Why did Jeannie leave him? He didn't come off as abusive in the Killing Joke. He yells at her once but then he apologizes and she forgives him and tells him that she loves him. The man we were presented in the Killing Joke wanted to be a good husband and father. Then we skip to this and she says that he'll never let her leave him and she couldn't bear what he'd do to the baby. What the fuck happened in between these moments? Or was the love in their relationship just another lie? Another multiple choice. "Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another..." Goddammit, trying to understand this character is madness in and of itself. Perfect design at play.
I saw people shitting on Joker's family still being alive because it fucks with the Killing Joke's ambiguity. I like it actually. Like I said before, I always thought Jeannie's death was utterly ridiculous and this makes sense of it. I also like the idea that Joker brought one good thing into this world, his son. Something innocent came from Joker which is unfathomable. And Bruce watches over his son and makes sure he's safe, protecting the good part of Joker from the bad part. I think that's beautiful as fuck. Hopefully Joker Jr. doesn't turn out to be like James Gordon Jr. Another psychotic JJ. I really hope not. On a different tangent, I thought it would be cute if Damian and Jr. were to meet and become friends. I don't know how that would work and Damian's not exactly great at making friends but it would be a cute little role reversal. Batman and Joker's sons. Damian being bad and Jr. being good. I don't care if it sounds stupid, I'll always devour more Batman and Joker bullshit and this shit practically writes itself.
I'm very sad about Bruce and Jason's relationship. It seems like they will never be close again and that hurts. I understand why Jason is distant and resentful of Bruce but I wish Bruce would try a little harder with Jason. They're both stubborn as fuck and I want to smack the shit out of them. Bruce, your biggest failure wasn't letting Jason die, it was abandoning him after he came back. I wish Bruce was a better father but I understand that he is a broken man himself. It's hard to put someone else back together when you've never fully mended from your own trauma.
I would love to see what Barbara and Jason would be like together but I'll have to live with always wondering what could've been. The universe does not want Jason to be happy whatsoever and I'm so fucking sad. It hurts, man. Why didn't he slide the letter under the door? Goddamn you, Joker. You SHIT, I hate you right now. It wasn't meant to be because I wanted it too much. You broke my heart, Geoff Johns. (I still love you though.) I should not be this upset over a fictional character but I'm not gonna lie, it almost ruined my day. I just want Jason to be happy and I'm never going to stop saying it until he is.
Minus one star only because of my heartbreak for Jason.
Some say that the Clown's corpse is still rotting in the aquarium to this day.
"This relationship is too one-sided, I need you to be as obsessed with me as I am with you."
"See now... after all of that drama... don't you feel better... Bruce? Bruce Wayne. Barbara Gordon. Jason Todd. You know I know. But I don't care. I won't tell. The world can never know your true name. You might stop doing this if I do."
"What do you want?"
What does he want? Bruce, what has he always wanted? Who is the object of his obsession? The sole reason he does anything at all? You. He wants you. All he's ever wanted is to fuck with you until you both die. You fucking dolt. Literally one of the most intelligent men alive and he's still pretending like he doesn't get it. You baffle me, Brucie.
"What's the punchline here, Joker?"
"Oh, this isn't a joke, Batman. There's no final twist. Not until I decide to put my hand on the knife in your heart. The Criminal was wrong. I am chaos. I am the Devil. I am nothing to you and everything. It isn't the Joker that is broken. It was the Batman. Broken by a pain greater than anything I could ever do to you. You saved the man who killed Thomas and Martha Wayne. Who sent Gotham—and you—spiraling into the drain of despair. You saw the old, regretful sad sack Chill's become. You felt his pain and it gave relief to yours. Ha. I healed your greatest wound. So now I can be your greatest pain. ME! I'll cut you. I'll hurt you. I'll keep twisting that knife until the day we both die together."
Goddamn, I love the fucked up relationship between these two (four?) men. The dialogues above pretty much sum up why I love the Batman and Joker dynamic and I'll never get tired of it. There are many portrayals of the Joker but two things they almost all share in common is the desire to be significant to Batman and the need to die with him. Don't believe me? Watch how Joker reacts when Batman says that he ain't shit to him. He gets pissed. "How fucking dare you say that I don't matter to you, I'm everything to you." He's very possessive of Batman and their "relationship" and I just love that.
Bruce forgiving Joe Chill and being with him when he died was so sweet and shows what type of man Bruce is. All men should aspire to be as good as Bruce Wayne.
So why did Batman ask the mobius chair about Joker's identity if he already knew who he was? Or was that question just another test and he shit himself when it said there were three. This is the only explanation that makes sense because why the fuck would "What's the Joker's true name?" be the question he asks an omniscient chair if he already knows the answer? I've always preferred that Batman didn't know Joker's identity because it was a mystery the World's Greatest Detective couldn't solve. I like the idea of Batman having his own obsession with Joker in wanting to know his identity and never finding it. In this story they both know each other's identities but neither of them want to reveal the other, for completely different reasons and I really like that too. Joker doesn't give a fuck about Batman's identity as long as he's still Batman. Batman won't reveal Joker to keep Joker's family safe.
I find it unbelievable that Joker wouldn't know that his family is still alive. He knows everything, how could he not know this? Though, when Joker was fantasizing about them in the last issue his son looked exactly as he does in reality. How would he know what his son looks like? He wasn't even born yet when his mother "died". I always thought that death by a baby-bottle heater was ridiculous. Which means Joker had to have thought the same thing at some point, right? Maybe he does know they're alive but he leaves them alone because he knows they would be afraid of him? That doesn't seem like something he would do but I don't think he would kill them either. He would warp them in his image as he does everyone else. Why did Jeannie leave him? He didn't come off as abusive in the Killing Joke. He yells at her once but then he apologizes and she forgives him and tells him that she loves him. The man we were presented in the Killing Joke wanted to be a good husband and father. Then we skip to this and she says that he'll never let her leave him and she couldn't bear what he'd do to the baby. What the fuck happened in between these moments? Or was the love in their relationship just another lie? Another multiple choice. "Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another..." Goddammit, trying to understand this character is madness in and of itself. Perfect design at play.
I saw people shitting on Joker's family still being alive because it fucks with the Killing Joke's ambiguity. I like it actually. Like I said before, I always thought Jeannie's death was utterly ridiculous and this makes sense of it. I also like the idea that Joker brought one good thing into this world, his son. Something innocent came from Joker which is unfathomable. And Bruce watches over his son and makes sure he's safe, protecting the good part of Joker from the bad part. I think that's beautiful as fuck. Hopefully Joker Jr. doesn't turn out to be like James Gordon Jr. Another psychotic JJ. I really hope not. On a different tangent, I thought it would be cute if Damian and Jr. were to meet and become friends. I don't know how that would work and Damian's not exactly great at making friends but it would be a cute little role reversal. Batman and Joker's sons. Damian being bad and Jr. being good. I don't care if it sounds stupid, I'll always devour more Batman and Joker bullshit and this shit practically writes itself.
I'm very sad about Bruce and Jason's relationship. It seems like they will never be close again and that hurts. I understand why Jason is distant and resentful of Bruce but I wish Bruce would try a little harder with Jason. They're both stubborn as fuck and I want to smack the shit out of them. Bruce, your biggest failure wasn't letting Jason die, it was abandoning him after he came back. I wish Bruce was a better father but I understand that he is a broken man himself. It's hard to put someone else back together when you've never fully mended from your own trauma.
I would love to see what Barbara and Jason would be like together but I'll have to live with always wondering what could've been. The universe does not want Jason to be happy whatsoever and I'm so fucking sad. It hurts, man. Why didn't he slide the letter under the door? Goddamn you, Joker. You SHIT, I hate you right now. It wasn't meant to be because I wanted it too much. You broke my heart, Geoff Johns. (I still love you though.) I should not be this upset over a fictional character but I'm not gonna lie, it almost ruined my day. I just want Jason to be happy and I'm never going to stop saying it until he is.
Minus one star only because of my heartbreak for Jason.
Some say that the Clown's corpse is still rotting in the aquarium to this day.
meeraasw's review against another edition
4.0
"I am chaos. I am the devil. I am nothing to you and everything."
(Batman and the Joker by Jason Fabok)
We know how each one of them coexist with the other, there is no Batman without the Joker, and no Joker without the Bat.
This final book summed it up and somehow answered the questions I had in mind. Every one of these three jokers had hurt Batman, Batgirl, and Red Hood in a way that left a deep scar in them, and was willing to go even further.
It is the time to move on, the time for a fresh start, and that final scene was certainly a good closure. Readers may or may not be satisfied with it, depends on how you interpret it and how big or small you wanted (and hoped) the reveal would be. But overall, it was decent.
Highly recommended for Batman/Joker fans. Trust me, you don't want to miss this confrontation.
(Batman and the Joker by Jason Fabok)
We know how each one of them coexist with the other, there is no Batman without the Joker, and no Joker without the Bat.
This final book summed it up and somehow answered the questions I had in mind. Every one of these three jokers had hurt Batman, Batgirl, and Red Hood in a way that left a deep scar in them, and was willing to go even further.
It is the time to move on, the time for a fresh start, and that final scene was certainly a good closure. Readers may or may not be satisfied with it, depends on how you interpret it and how big or small you wanted (and hoped) the reveal would be. But overall, it was decent.
Highly recommended for Batman/Joker fans. Trust me, you don't want to miss this confrontation.